whats your stance on gay marriage?
 

i was just reading this article and it got me curious what others here might think about it. i personally could care less. i mean if they want to be miserable like a lot of other married couples, i say let'um. :-D

^ exactly that.
I'm not a big fan of marriage in general. But if people wana do it then fine by me.

What about gay adoption?

I feel the same about it as I do about straight people getting married. If its what you want to do, you should be able to do it.

"If gay people wanna get married and be miserable like the rest of us, let 'em."
Peter Griffin. Family Guy.

I've nothing against gay marriage and nothing against gay adoption. If they want to be together, and if they think they can raise a child, then i don't see anything wrong with that.

I think that gay marriage is completely fine, same with gay adoption. If a child is being offered a chance at having a safe, loving home to live in, it shouldn't matter if the couple are gay. There are people who argue that a child should have a mother and a father and it is damageing to have gay parents. What if no straight couple wants to adopt a child? Certainly it would be less damaging to have a gay family then to be moved from foster home to foster home for 12 years with no family at all.

All for gay marriage, maybe the divorce rate will go down.

Love is love

:]

yep. that :)

Marriage doesn't automatically mean having kids though. Surely unsuitable parents should have equal right to marry as suitable parents, but not equal rights to raise children?

Basically, ^ what they said.

I have absolutley no problem with gay marrige at all, same with gay adoption if you're able to raise a child in a caring, loving home. If you're happy and in love with another person, it shouldn't have to change just because it's the same sex.

I actually am a lesbian, and Ive always dreamed about having a big white wedding ect. I dont know much about what gays can and cant do in terms of marrage ect. I know that here in england atleast we can get a cival partnership. But to me that sounds a bit different from a marrage.
I dont see what the big deal is. Marrige is a way of saying that you love someone completely and want to be with them forever. Whether they stick together or not is a different matter.
And since the point of gay adoption has been raised I'll comment on that too :)
Im a lesbian so I can just go to a sperm bank and get pregnant myself, but for gay guy couples I understand that its not so easy. In my opinion its better a child having a loving family with a gay couple than them being unhappy in an orphanige or wherever. As long as their loved and cared for and are happy I dont see anything wrong with it.

Seriously, go for it. My cousin's gay and I went to her wedding reception and her and her wife looked more in love than an awful lot of straight people I've seen. Not to generalise that or anything, but taking that into account, how could someone say that a straight couple who are not necessarily in love have more rights to get married than a gay couple who so blatantly are.

I mean, I can marry my cousin for christ's sake! And people are still trying to get rid of civil partnerships? This is why I hate society.

Everybody has the right to be in love, if they want to show that by committing to each other through marridge, then they should be allowed to do that.

The thing that bothers me is when religion comes in the way of gay marridge, if gay couples have to get a civil partnership because marridge is a religious institution, then I think non religious couples should have to get a civil partnership instead of marridge.
If that makes sense.

I actually don't understand the arguments against it. Like, at all.

basically same as everyone seems to be saying - no problem with it, marriage in general i could disagree with but nothing to do with the couples sexuality!

I have no issue with gay marriage, or adoption or anything along those lines.

No issues at all.
Why should there be?
Just because you're the same sex, well, so what?
F*k anyone who has a problem with it, if they love each other, & are happy, & it's a stable environment for children(if they adopt), then I see no problem with it & I say go for it.

I plan to marry my Fiancee Hel & adopt with her, or use an alternative forms of conception, so yeah, I'm all for it.

GO GAY MARRIAGE & ADOPTION!
:)

I'm all for gay marriage, I don't think you should differentiate just because you fall for the same sex. If I end up with a girl I'd be gutted without the chance of a wedding.

Haven't they changed it in England so you can be properly married? I thought that was why Elton did it again in 2008 :-)

This is an epic point.
Why not? :) You can't help who you fall in love with.

no its still called a civil partnership but u get all the same rights as 'marriage' its just a different name, pointless in my opinion, I have just booked my reception for mine and my partners wedding ( i will always call it a wedding even if its legally a civil partnership dont see why i cant! ) so our plans are alll on the way :)

hmm, here the civil partnership doesnt have same benefits though [in nj in us]

prop 8 has just been over turned though so its a start :)

Have never understood why people have a problem with it. Love is love after all, as for religion standing in the way of gay marriage- why can atheist couples get married without fuss hmm?
Adoption- why not, as long as they are. There are so many straight, and yet terrible parents out there, surely a household with gay parents must be less damaging than many of these.

I'm happy that Proposition 8 got overturned :)
I definitely support gay marriage, but as a lesbian I guess I'm a bit biased.
I don't understand the opposite viewpoint, I don't understand how people cannot see this as not treating gay people equally.
Apparently the do however.
From what I can find, the biggest arguments are that kids would be taught in school that gay people can marry, and that we shouldn't silence people by labeling them as homophobic. A load of crap in my opinion.
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Well...I kind of agree that people shouldn't be labeled and silenced based on their beliefs. Even though I disagree with them, that doesn't make their opinion any less valid. But it's difficult for me to summon up much sympathy; after all, I'm not permitted to legally marry my partner even though we've been together for two years, which seems to me to be very much akin.

All i got from that video was 'gay marrige is bad! save the children! think of the CHILDREN!'


.... fantastic arguments there guys (Y)

Gay marriage I'm not too fussed about really, if you want to then fair enough. Gay adoption is the same, as long as they know what they are getting in to. Adoption is a lengthy and stringent process, full of checks, checks and more checks. They would also need to know how to deal with a child coming home because they are getting bullied because of their parents' sexuality.

This. :agrees:

I'm all for it.

I'm in California and recall a lot of the arguments for Prop 8 that were airing. It basically came down to traditional beliefs and what is written in the Bible.

If you think about it, what religion was traditionally has changed drastically over the years. Having a child out of wedlock was more taboo than it is now, as was living with someone out of wedlock. But they want to keep the traditional definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman.

Everyone can have their opinions and desires for what they believe in. But, if it was to come down to the religious thing, why should couples that might not have faith in a god be allowed to marry while a gay couple that could live their life as much by the word of god as possible (while still being true to themselves) be unable to? That, to me, isn't right.

One of the things they're currently having issues with, and are trying to use against Prop 8 being overturned, is that the judge who overturned it is openly a "practicing gay" (not my term for it, just how the news decided to describe him). So now they're saying he could not have been unbiased in his decisions and that he could have overturned Prop 8 due to the fact that he could possibly gain from gay marriage being allowed in the state of California. They're also saying that the way he worded his decision and final statement was done so that it would be forced to federal court and would cause the country to look at whether a ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional or not... all because he's gay.

It's rather messy and, honestly, I do think that Prop 8 will be reinstated, even though the DA has decided that gay marriage is to be allowed in the state. It's not like people can marry yet, or anytime soon, until the appeal is done, and that could take up to a year or so. Huge hurdle cleared but now so many more are being put in place. :(

That video. None of those arguments were actually legitimate. I don't get it.

I'm still amazed that this is an argument.

I can understand why people are against gay marraige, its largely a religious concept, and in most religions, homosexuality is wrong.

What gay people get isnt really a marriage, they get the legal benefits, but none of the 'bound together in the eyes of god' stuff.

Maybe people wouldnt kick up a fuss if it werent called a marriage.

I dont understand though, how people can be outraged by this but not about for exapmle, cases like my friend, who had never been to church in her life but yet went and sat there three sundays in a row and was able to get married in one.

problem with that is we get into 'seperate but equal', which has already proven to not work(at least in the US) with civil unions [i dont know how equal they are in the UK]

they are equal in the UK but called civil partnership, im calling my wedding a wedding, because to me thats what it is, reguardless of the fact its to a women, ive always dreams of a big white wedding, so its what im going 4 and it will be called a wedding, i will tell our children we are married when we have them, i wont use the term civil partnership unless ticking a box on a form :) im stubbon lol x

Well, most of the reasons come down to many peoples' religious beliefs. All the Abrahamic religions (Jews, Christians and Muslims) condemn homosexuality and see marriage as the sacred union between a man and a woman. I've never heard a logical explanation, although one conservative person who happened to be an atheist claimed he was against gay marriage because it's 'pointless' as they can't have biological kids together and have a proper family unit, etc.

I have no problems myself with gay marriage, though. If two people love eachother I don't see why not. But I don't believe any church or other religious institutions should be forced to accomodate gay marriages, seeing as it conflicts their beliefs. However, in the legal aspect, gay people should certainly be allowed to marry eachother and get the same marital benefits as straight coupls do. Afterall, they are two adult consenting people who love eachother and want to share their lives, just because they happen to be the same gender is irrelevent imo.

As for gay adoption. I'm a bit wishy-washy on this one. I firmly believe that a gay or lesbian couple can bring up kids and be good parents, etc just like a straight couple can. However the problem with this one is the society we live in, it's still very much homophobic. The child has an increased chance of getting bullied in school if his/her adoptive parents are a gay or lesbian couple, not that it's justified in any way, however that is the way life is right now. But then some areas are more accepting of gay couples/parents than others, so it would be best to live in a more liberal area (like Camden in London, or San Francisco, etc) than a conservative one.

^ With regards to bullying issues surrounding gay adoption there are a million and one reasons a kid can be bullied. Should someone with red hair not have children because they might be bullied for that hair colour, should a slightly older than average couple not have children because the child might be bullied for that?

If two people love each other it shouldn't matter what gender they are.
For the record I'm straight(ish) but I have no problem with gay marriage or adoption. :)

You're right, don't get me wrong. However, gay couples with kids are relatively rare and still considered a big taboo in society, therefore there's a massive amount of ignorance built around it. Having red hair isn't. It will become more 'acceptable' in time, but I do think if a lesbian or gay couple is adopting a child, they should consider that aspect strongly. I'm not by any means saying they shouldn't.

I'm all for gay marriage and adoption.

I'm disgusted that we don't have gay marriage in the UK.

i belive that gay marriage and adoption should be legal.....love knows no gender.

It's probably just me, because my Dad is gay, but I probably know around as many gay parents as I do red-headed ones!

With regards to bullying, I never got any, but my little brother did a bit. But teasing about parents sexuality never seems to cut very deep because it normally goes along the lines of:
"Haha your Dad's gay!"
"Erm well yes I was aware of that"
"...."

I also think it depends on the community the gay couple live in and very few couples will actively choose to live in a deeply homophobic community. I know some people have no choice about where they live, but most people with the financial stability to raise a kid comfortably have at least some choice about it.

Oh heidi, you make me giggle :)
I hope you're bro is ok though. Bullying/teaseing isn't fun.

Gay Marriage: If you don't like it, don't have one.

We do, it's just not called marriage. Does it really matter what it's called?

^ That's my stance on it too. I don't care whether it's called marriage or not provided it has the same rights.

Oh and Heidi I give a similar response when someone from my old school sees me 'Oi Katy, are you a lesbian?'
'Yes.'
>them *look of pure confusion that lasts several seconds*
'Er....YOUR A LESBIAN.'
me>*claps slowly*

Yeah, I'm straight and I'm as mad as hell that only heterosexual couples can get married.

And even when I was a christian, I believed that homosexual couples should have the same rights as heterosexual couples.