dont see a rule anywhere that apllies

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

just got a message that my pic i posted recently in "what have you bought recently" was deleted cause the thread is always active.... the picture in question was a glock 21 45 acp handgun.. i posted a pic in the same thread a month ago showing a rifle and some shotguns yet nothing happened to that one... is it cause my handgun is black? its a hand gun?

i have read the rules and dont see anything it violates it wasnt racist, it aint a SI tool, it wasnt condoning illegal activity (im 22), it wasnt triggering and it wasnt a scar or self harm pic i wasnt forcing a political view on anyone

[Pi.R^2]

You can read more about the decision here (http://www.recoveryourlife.com/forum/announcement.php?f=47)

It's a recent decision, which would explain why your previous jpg wasn't removed.

[talaiporia]

Firstly, you should contact the mods regarding this, not make a thread as discussing moderator action is frowned upon.

Secondly, the rule is here (http://www.recoveryourlife.com/forum/announcement.php?f=47).

[Amaryllis]

Hey there,

While your gun was cool, the moderators did some talking and we decided that maybe allowing pictures of guns wasn't a great idea on here. We're including that under the umbrella rule of no SI tools.

There's an announcement here. (http://www.recoveryourlife.com/forum/announcement.php?f=47)

I hope it clarifies things.

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

i read in the rules to post it in this section of the forum thanks.... example > Please do not make anti-RYL or RYL complaints on the public boards except for Forum and Community Questions

guess ill go elsewhere for help.. i thought this was a catch all site and could discuss my problems and about my hobbies and likes a bit and since im a state trooper in training guns are part of my daily life... guess not..

[Pi.R^2]

i read in the rules to post it in this section of the forum thanks.... example > [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=#FF0000]Please do not make anti-RYL or RYL complaints on the public boards except for Forum and Community Questions[SIZE=2] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2]
I can see how you may have found this misleading! Apparently the "except for Forum and Community Questions" bit shouldn't be there. Hope that clarifies it for you!

[Bellatrix]

Lucky you didn't get points :P Can't talk about moderator anything, even in FCQ, despite what the rule says!

[Bellatrix]

But you don't have to be rude about it, to members of moderators.
Guns are a controversial hobby and there are plenty of other boards yo can post about guns on, RYL isn't one of them - especially with the demographic on here. Baring in mind gun laws are different between states and countries.

[Pi.R^2]

guess ill go elsewhere for help.. i thought this was a catch all site and could discuss my problems and about my hobbies and likes a bit and since im a state trooper in training guns are part of my daily life... guess not..
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In an ideal world, there would be no rules, but there has to be some sort of regulation to allow everyone to get the best experience they can out of RYL. Don't quote me on this, but I *imagine* some talk of the use of guns in a legal manner may not be against the rules, but in the interest of continuity, actual jpgs of guns are banned.

[[Purple_Rain]]

In an ideal world, there would be no rules, but there has to be some sort of regulation to allow everyone to get the best experience they can out of RYL. Don't quote me on this, but I *imagine* some talk of the use of guns in a legal manner may not be against the rules, but in the interest of continuity, actual jpgs of guns are banned.

Bingo.

The logic is very simple.

Pictures of tools for self harm are not allowed.

A gun can be used as a tool for self harm (i.e. suicide) in the same way razors can, though both are legal.

Therefore, pictures of guns are not allowed.

[Isoverity]

Looks like rules need rewriting. In General forum the guidelines say not to post asking about tattoos but many people do. Now if its not permissible to complain about anything anywhere ever that then all these things should be clarified by someone in charge. Right now it looks like nothing is reliably articulated and people.

[LizzieRose]

Wait. Why no talk of tattoos in General?

[Isoverity]

Tattoo advice posts are supposed to go in the Advice forum. The reason being people were once posting so many tattoo, piercing, hair color threads that it looked like tattoo,piercing, hair color forum lol

http://i.imgur.com/9ICgWAg.png

[squirrelspit]

what if i did an awesome craft project and everyone was like 'omg how did you fo that.. we want images and step by step instructions' ... what if one image had a pair of scissors in? what if i had taken a picture of somethig i had drawn and you could see my pencil sharpener in the background?

by rights those pictures should be removed no? all seems a bit OTT to me, and im sure people are far more likely to have access to the two things ive mentioned rather than a gun.

[squirrelspit]

and i really dont see why threads like this shouldnt be posted.. its this behind closed doors secrecy stuff that leads to all the crossed wires i think.

[Bellatrix]

^ was just thinking about that.
like, loads of things can be used as self harm...

A blade or something, fair enough (although learning to deal with images of sharp things would be advisable as they are everywhere in life) but scissors. What about candles, cigarettes, belts, dressing gown ties etc etc etc. A tools of suicide or self harm.

[Bellatrix]

and i really dont see why threads like this shouldnt be posted.. its this behind closed doors secrecy stuff that leads to all the crossed wires i think.

Also was thinking about this. I aske a mod and she said it was due to members flaming mods rather than discussing as the thread would probably intend.

I think if we could be adults and discuss things without flaming, discussing moderator action would be a good thing because it helps make the community more cohesive.

[Pi.R^2]

and i really dont see why threads like this shouldnt be posted.. its this behind closed doors secrecy stuff that leads to all the crossed wires i think.
agreed.

Or at the very least, the rules should be publicly changed so that people don't get infraction points for doing things that are explicitly mentioned in the rules as legit things to do. That to me seems a little unfair and really very confusing!

[squirrelspit]

Your post will probably be removed for tip sharing jodie.

[Bellatrix]

^O_o

If people don't realise that sharp things can cut and hot things can burn and long things an hang then I think them wanting to harm themselves is the least of their problems.

[PassedExpectations]

from what i've seen though, even threads here that start out intending to be rational conversation tend to fall into mod flaming... ideally they wouldn't, but realistically it appears that they do

[Pi.R^2]

^O_o

If people don't realise that sharp things can cut and hot things can burn and long things an hang then I think them wanting to harm themselves is the least of their problems.
:P

from what i've seen though, even threads here that start out intending to be rational conversation tend to fall into mod flaming... ideally they wouldn't, but realistically it appears that they do
This thread would of ended perfectly well I feel, had the OP not been told he wasn't allowed to talk about it.

I don't understand. If the mods do legit things and make legit rules and decision, then they have nothing to worry about, and in fact have great respect to be gained from allowing their decisions to be discussed publicly, and if people are not told that they have to sit down and know their place, then they're not likely to get angry and start flaming.

[PassedExpectations]

except that people get angry for irrational reasons...

[squirrelspit]

disagreeing with something does not equal flaming.

no one has called anyone a c*nt, no one has said anything pertaining to any kind of flaming except you.

[griddlebone]

Am I missing the bit where a forum mod said it wasnt allowed to be discussed. As far as I can see the two forum mods that did reply gave good answers and didnt make anything cloak and dagger.

[Pi.R^2]

Am I missing the bit where a forum mod said it wasnt allowed to be discussed. As far as I can see the two forum mods that did reply gave good answers and didnt make anything cloak and dagger.
I was mainly referring to the fact that I have been reliably informed that the bit in the rules about being allowed to discuss RYL queries/issues on FCQ isn't true.

[PassedExpectations]

my apologies for bringing up flaming, i thought it had already been mentioned, but i guess i was mistaken

[griddlebone]

Im not sure scissors are really a comparable example with a gun either.

[squirrelspit]

noddy noddy nod.

people really shouldnt speak for the mods.. they are quite capable of doing it themselves.

[griddlebone]

I was mainly referring to the fact that I have been reliably informed that the bit in the rules about being allowed to discuss RYL queries/issues on FCQ isn't true.

I dont know where you have got that from but ok.

As I say neither Liz or Ama said anything about it not being ok to discuss and they have given well thought out responses so I am unsure of the problem.

[Bellatrix]

I reported a picture of a gun, not because it was a gun but because the poster said he had bought them to be able to own guns that 'they' don't know about when the state gun laws get put in place - so effectively illegal activity.

I don't really see why pictures of guns or anything would be distressing.

[Bellatrix]

I dont know where you have got that from but ok.

It got me points - so maybe look at the PM's that have been sent out as mine says I'm not alowed to dsicuss things in FCQ

[Pi.R^2]

Im not sure scissors are really a comparable example with a gun either.
Liz did compare guns to razors, so it seems like a logical extension?

[griddlebone]

But this thread isnt about you or your points.

[squirrelspit]

Im not sure scissors are really a comparable example with a gun either.

i wonder how many people that are going to get triggered by images have hurt themselves with scissors compared to those that have hurt themselves with guns.

i remember when i self harmed a lot, people could probably have talked about shootings etc etc all day long and i wouldnt blink, but people talking about shaving their legs would automatically make me think of cutting myself.

*shrug*

im not trying to stat a debate, i appreciate the rule has been made so obviously quite a few people had complained about the original image.. i just dont think its entirely fair. I am aware that majority rules though so i shall stop. moar wine.

[griddlebone]

Liz did compare guns to razors, so it seems like a logical extension?

I dont see razors and scissors on the same scale, but that is just me.

[Pi.R^2]

but it is where she got the idea from that it's not OK to raise concerns about RYL in FCQ, which presumably applies to everyone? Or maybe just Jodie I guess. She is pretty annoying :P

[griddlebone]

i wonder how many people that are going to get triggered by images have hurt themselves with scissors compared to those that have hurt themselves with guns.

i remember when i self harmed a lot, people could probably have talked about shootings etc etc all day long and i wouldnt blink, but people talking about shaving their legs would automatically make me think of cutting myself.

*shrug*

im not trying to stat a debate, i appreciate the rule has been made so obviously quite a few people had complained about the original image.. i just dont think its entirely fair. I am aware that majority rules though so i shall stop. moar wine.

But what is fair really? What triggers one person doesnt trigger another. As I said before I used to be triggered by spoons, do I expect them to be banned?no. But a gun seemed to upset a lot of people and be a trigger for them.

[griddlebone]

but it is where she got the idea from that it's not OK to raise concerns about RYL in FCQ, which presumably applies to everyone? Or maybe just Jodie I guess. She is pretty annoying :P

Then maybe its something to raise with the moderators rather on someone elses thread.

[Pi.R^2]

That is a fair point. I think it was more because some people were saying that it wasn't allowed and others said it was and she had the most up to date views on it from the mods!

I may well add this to the email next time I re-forward my last email to you guys, as you're right, bringing it up with the mods directly is a more reasonable response.

[PassedExpectations]

also, i'm not a mod, but i'd imagine that points for things like that have to do with how things are brought up and approached as well as what the subject is? and i'm sorry if i shouldn't have said that... since this thread has gone of topic i'm not sure if its good form to keep replying

[Bellatrix]

Aye that's what I meant - my points are irrelevant, but i got them for something that was asked here so i thought i'd share. I def deserved my points coz I was rude, but i was told that the rule is wrong which was the point I was raising here

[Bellatrix]

I dont see razors and scissors on the same scale, but that is just me.

I see them on the same scale.
Does that matter?

[griddlebone]

Maybe it would be good to not talk about mod action...again thats something that can be discussed with us via PM/email.

[griddlebone]

I see them on the same scale.
Does that matter?

I dont know?

Everyones scales are different.

[Bellatrix]

I dont know?

Everyones scales are different.

Exactly, so why ban one 'bad' thing and not all images?
Why not have all images being able to be posted? Let people take responsibility for what they post and what they view?

[Pi.R^2]

The awkward moment when I disagree with Jodie.

I honestly think it's legit. It's not a great inconvenience to not post jpgs of guns or blades and I think it can be agreed that it is something that would be deemed 'triggering' by a lot of members.

The line is hazy when it comes to pencil sharpeners or flames, but it has to be drawn somewhere to get a balance, and I personally think it's quite a well-drawn line right now.

[Bellatrix]

I guess - but where do you draw the line?

[griddlebone]

Really?All pictures?So how far are we going here?Pictures of wounds?Blood smeared things?State of the toilet after a binge/purge? Thinspo poses?

We are doing a fine balancing act between having a safe environment and giving people freedom.

This is a decision that took us time to make and not one we took lightly and it is something we were fully aware would give us backlash because lets face it everything we do upsets someone.

[Bellatrix]

I guess like, posting a blade is a nono, but posting a craft activity including scissors/craft blades is okay?

Because the purpose is clear. Is that how we get the balance?

I wans't saying all pictures, like obviously stuff like that is irresponsible to post... I mean like, if you're banning guns, ban high buildings, ban ropes/belts (I don'tthink we should, but I'm making the point of it's one rule for one thing..) I don't even know what I think anymore

[Pi.R^2]

Really?All pictures?So how far are we going here?Pictures of wounds?Blood smeared things?State of the toilet after a binge? Thinspo poses?

We are doing a fine balancing act between having a safe environment and giving people freedom.

This is a decision that took us time to make and not one we took lightly and it is something we were fully aware would give us backlash because lets face it everything we does upsets someone.
I very much agree with all of this.

And on this unusual note where I fully and wholeheartedly agree with you, I shall tootle off to bed I think!

[griddlebone]

I guess like, posting a blade is a nono, but posting a craft activity including scissors/craft blades is okay?

Because the purpose is clear.

Thats how I see it. You cant use a gun for arts and crafts :p

[squirrelspit]

:( livs edit says 'Cant help sounding like a pirate.' .... i want to know what was said pre edit!

was there an ohh arrrrrrrr in there?

[Bellatrix]

^Lol, I don't even want to know what you could be making :P

[Bellatrix]

ALSO.
What about drawing s of guns?
Coz I know some CC work has like blood and blades in it and the like (with warning labels)

[griddlebone]

ALSO.
What about drawing s of guns?
Coz I know some CC work has like blood and blades in it and the like (with warning labels)

They should be reported, all of them :)

[griddlebone]

:( livs edit says 'Cant help sounding like a pirate.' .... i want to know what was said pre edit!

was there an ohh arrrrrrrr in there?

I think it said 'everything we does' instead of 'everything we do' :p x

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

I reported a picture of a gun, not because it was a gun but because the poster said he had bought them to be able to own guns that 'they' don't know about when the state gun laws get put in place - so effectively illegal activity.

I don't really see why pictures of guns or anything would be distressing.
grandfather look it up pertaining to guns... a gun bought before a ban usually u can keep the ban usually only prevents new ones from being made and sold...

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

Thats how I see it. You cant use a gun for arts and crafts :p
wrong... i know a few expert marksman who do "drawings" with guns using a target and a box of ammo they shoot holes thru the paper to draw it from a distance of over 50ft . one guy made a pretty cool looking skull one day

[Bellatrix]

They should be reported, all of them :)

Really?! Even like poems that are like:
'I take the blade
to my skin
it has made
me lose not win'

As a random example.

[Bellatrix]

grandfather look it up pertaining to guns... a gun bought before a ban usually u can keep the ban usually only prevents new ones from being made and sold...

I couldn't remember exactly what you said but the way it was written was implying that it would be 'getting around' the gun laws/bans. That may not be what you meant but it was how it came across.

And COOL. I'd like to see that art work? (Boo but you can't post it here!)

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

what about if i see the "what have you done today" thread and i post a picture of man shaped target i shot at for class and got a perfect score will that be deleted or i get in trouble cause its silhuette of a man and has holes in it ?

id personally like to know what kind of wanker gets upset from a pic of unloaded gun laying on a comforter.. i could understand if i had posted a pic of me holding it while pointing at the camera or having it pointed at someone else.... i just think it was cause the gun was black personally

[Bellatrix]

^Yep, a white gun would have been totally fine.

I recommend painting it!
:p

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

I couldn't remember exactly what you said but the way it was written was implying that it would be 'getting around' the gun laws/bans. That may not be what you meant but it was how it came across.

And COOL. I'd like to see that art work? (Boo but you can't post it here!)
yes it would be getting around the law but it would be legal since they were bought pre ban...

example say a make up you owned was gonna be pulled from store shelves and banned and would never be sold again. if you truly loved this make up you probally would stock up on this make up before ban which means it wouldnt have been illegal when you bought it tho you knew after a certain day it would be illegal to sell or purchase

[Patch.Work]

So, if you bought Mephedrone before it became illegal in the UK, it's ok to still have it because you bought it pre-ban?

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

So, if you bought Mephedrone before it became illegal in the UK, it's ok to still have it because you bought it pre-ban?
no clue on uk laws... i just know usa federal./ ohio state laws..

[Bellatrix]

^Cocaine is illegal in the US.
If I got some before it was made illegal, am I still allowed to use it now? No.

[griddlebone]

Really?! Even like poems that are like:
'I take the blade
to my skin
it has made
me lose not win'

As a random example.

No it applies to pictures/drawings.

[Bellatrix]

Okay!

[yourockmysocks]

^Cocaine is illegal in the US.
If I got some before it was made illegal, am I still allowed to use it now? No.

Okay. Earlier in the thread he mentioned a grandfather clause, I'm not sure if they are unique to the US or not but I think they may be, in a such case it is understandable that you may be misinformed. In virtually all of the new gun legislation on the table in the US, a grandfather clause is included. This means that the new law/s would not apply to people who were already in legal possession of certain types of firearms. This is set in place to prevent the likely reaction that would happen if the US Government attempted to take away people's guns that they had obtained legally before. You can read more about this on the Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause) or by simply searching the web. Hope that helps!

To put it more concisely, he's not breaking any existing laws and new laws put in place would not apply to any firearms that he already owns. The member in question did mention earlier in this thread that he was familiar with the federal and state laws that would apply to him.

[Pi.R^2]

^that's interesting! And yeah, I don't think such things exist in the UK, but I could well be wrong!

[Freedom Fighter]

Grandfather clauses are explicitly written into a law. They are not automatic.

[K8EB]

Re: Grandfather laws. In the UK Pitbulls were made illegal to own in 1991. This meant that even dogs who were already owned were seized and destroyed. It didn't matter what their behaviour or history was and it was up to the owner to prove that it wasn't a banned breed.
You can however apply for your dog to be put onto the Index of Exempted Dogs but it has to be neutered, chipped, fully insured, tattoed, muzzled and on a lead in public places and kept in a secure location from which it cannot escape. Most people can't afford or can't be bothered. The major problem is that the staffordshire bull terrier can look very like a pitbull :(

[The One Who]

I think there needs to be more clarification on what is allowed and what isn't. If there is a context clause, then state that.

With the pictures in CC, should all pictures with red on to show blood be removed? If so, seems a bit harsh.

Also, I have fencing swords/blades sitting in my room, would they be allowed to be posted?

[Pi.R^2]

I would probably say fencing swords are different, because their sole use is in fencing? Although maybe I've just never tried self-harming with a fencing sword :P

[The One Who]

I would probably say fencing swords are different, because their sole use is in fencing? Although maybe I've just never tried self-harming with a fencing sword :P

You CAN be quite badly injured with them, but it's rare. I've bruised bones, bruise skin on a bi-weekly basis, and broken skin before. You can also be penetrated with them if you are really unlucky, and broken bones are a possibility. They also look just like swords, really. I doubt you'd know from a picture that it was blunt.

It's more than something that can be used dangerously is used in a sport. If someone is using guns in a sport and wants to talk about their hobbies then why not?

[Pi.R^2]

But I think talking about guns in a legal way is allowed by the rules. It's just jpgs that are banned.

[Bellatrix]

To reiterate, I wasn't saying that he had broken the law I was saying that the way he worded it sounded as though he was intending to break the law.

[griddlebone]

But I think talking about guns in a legal way is allowed by the rules. It's just jpgs that are banned.

Spot on.



The rule about fake blood etc has been around for years and isnt anything new so maybe making people aware that the rule is already in place would help.

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

To reiterate, I wasn't saying that he had broken the law I was saying that the way he worded it sounded as though he was intending to break the law.
theres no law to break currently... and according to the sheriff where i live and a few state govenors say they wont enforce any new laws that are unconstintuitional

[Bellatrix]

Ah I see!

[The Herbalist.]

I would probably say fencing swords are different, because their sole use is in fencing? Although maybe I've just never tried self-harming with a fencing sword :P

How is a fencing sword different to a hand gun somebody has FOR WORK? He's not using it in a negative light, yet it's not okay. Swords could easily be used to lop someone's head off. Fencing swords could cause a lot of damage with a well-placed poke. There is a lot of gray area here. I've seen TV programs where guys with swords went on murderous rampages haha

[whirlpools]

Pictures of guns make me feel really uncomfortable. No idea why; it's not a suicide thing. Not commenting on whether or not pics should be banned, I'm kind of glad they are, but that's just me. Thought I'd share that.

[The Herbalist.]

Pictures of guns make me feel really uncomfortable. No idea why; it's not a suicide thing. Not commenting on whether or not pics should be banned, I'm kind of glad they are, but that's just me. Thought I'd share that.

Good to have a different perspective

[[Purple_Rain]]

How is a fencing sword different to a hand gun somebody has FOR WORK? He's not using it in a negative light, yet it's not okay. Swords could easily be used to lop someone's head off. Fencing swords could cause a lot of damage with a well-placed poke. There is a lot of gray area here. I've seen TV programs where guys with swords went on murderous rampages hah

How often do you hear in the news about someone who has committed suicide by fencing sword, over someone who has shot themselves?
Basically, guns can be associated with suicide, fencing swords aren't. So the chance of a picture of a fencing sword triggering someone is next to none. As we know from the number of PRs we got about pictures of guns, they do trigger people.

Should people post pictures of fencing swords, and they get reported like the pictures of guns were, obviously we would discuss that. Untill that day, however.

[Bellatrix]

I think the distinction makes sense now.

But again, I'd say the purpose or intent of the posted picture should be taken into consideration.

EG: A pair of scissors cutting out some fabric would be fine, but a pair of scissors pressed against someones skin would not.

A gun being used in target practice, or to look cool,would be okay to me over a picture of someone holding a gun pointed at the camera or shown in some other aggressive light.

Does that make sense? I'm not saying I disagree with the rule, just that intent would be useful to bear in mind.

[[Purple_Rain]]

Yeah that makes sense Jodie. I think guns are more comparable to razors though, any picture of a razor (not the type you shave with, the rectangular stand alone ones that have holes in the middle) would be removed. To be honest even if that razor was being used for craft I (personally, not speaking for the other mods here) would want it cropped out. It's too common a self harm tool. On this website, I think most members would automatically associate it with self harm in the first instance, then it's other uses. Scissors, I believe, would be initially associated with cutting paper/fabiric, before people thought of them in relation to self harm. (again, this is what I personally believe how most, not all, other people's thought patterns would go)

I also believe guns are more comparable to razors than scissors in the above statement. Because the majority of people on this website would probably first think of suicide, before the gun's other uses, it is dangerous. A comparable item to scissors might be rope. Rope can be sued for suicide, but because it has so many other every day uses that aren't mental health related, it is less dangerous to post on here as an image.

NB: by dangerous I mean risking member's mental distress/triggering them.


Does that make any sense? I'm not sure I explained my thought process very well. Again, to clarify, speaking for myself only here.

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

in japan ritual suicide by sword is pretty common atleast last i knew....

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

so your saying when i graduate i cant post a pic of me in full dress cause it has a gun..... im curious what people do when they see a law enforcement officer since most of them are armed..

[griddlebone]

;3535827']Yeah that makes sense Jodie. I think guns are more comparable to razors though, any picture of a razor (not the type you shave with, the rectangular stand alone ones that have holes in the middle) would be removed. To be honest even if that razor was being used for craft I (personally, not speaking for the other mods here) would want it cropped out. It's too common a self harm tool. On this website, I think most members would automatically associate it with self harm in the first instance, then it's other uses. Scissors, I believe, would be initially associated with cutting paper/fabiric, before people thought of them in relation to self harm. (again, this is what I personally believe how most, not all, other people's thought patterns would go)

I also believe guns are more comparable to razors than scissors in the above statement. Because the majority of people on this website would probably first think of suicide, before the gun's other uses, it is dangerous. A comparable item to scissors might be rope. Rope can be sued for suicide, but because it has so many other every day uses that aren't mental health related, it is less dangerous to post on here as an image.

NB: by dangerous I mean risking member's mental distress/triggering them.


Does that make any sense? I'm not sure I explained my thought process very well. Again, to clarify, speaking for myself only here.

Well put Liz.

[griddlebone]

so your saying when i graduate i cant post a pic of me in full dress cause it has a gun..... im curious what people do when they see a law enforcement officer since most of them are armed..

If the gun is visible then it will be removed.

When I see a law enforcement officer they arent armed because I live in the UK.

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

If the gun is visible then it will be removed.

When I see a law enforcement officer they arent armed because I live in the UK.
thats all i needed to know.... off to write some reviews

[Patch.Work]

I live in an area where gun crime is high and I have been threatened with a gun/been in a situation where a gun has been used threateningly more than once. I wood not be happy with pictures of guns.

(I just wanted to say that it's not just suicide that guns are associated with/can cause emotional distress through if that makes sense? )

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

what about a axe or machette they're scary (sarcasm) and could easly offend someone from what im learning of the sheeple aroun here. or what about picture of a bow and arrow they're scary also.... or wait how about a beer,vodka,rum,whisky,scotch bottle since they can be broken and used to cause stress.... dont laugh been in bars and seen people break beer bottles on the bar and try to stake someone with it..

or how about a car since hundreds of suicides are done by carbon monoxide

[griddlebone]

There is no need for you to be rude about people. I understand that youre irritated but you being rude just devalues the point youre trying to make.

[[Purple_Rain]]

See the above post about what people initially think of when they see an item. People's first thought when they see a car, or an axe, probably wouldn't be suicide.

This has nothing to do with pictures of items being 'scary'.

Also Seppuku is very, very rare in Japan. The last recorded case was (i think) in 1970, FYI.

[yourockmysocks]

There is a big cultural difference between the US and the UK here, it would be wise to take that into consideration when discussing this issue as many of Uncle Buck's points make sense when you consider the context. I think he has made some valid points. My first thought when seeing a gun would not be suicide. It's a cultural difference. I'd probably think rabbit hunting.

I also find it to be a bit of an issue that rules are being based on UK culture and not taking into consideration the differences culturally that affect people in other countries.

[griddlebone]

They are not being based around UK culture.We have an American moderator on our team who is able to explain the difference in gun culture.

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

There is a big cultural difference between the US and the UK here, it would be wise to take that into consideration when discussing this issue as many of Uncle Buck's points make sense when you consider the context. I think he has made some valid points. My first thought when seeing a gun would not be suicide. It's a cultural difference. I'd probably think rabbit hunting.

I also find it to be a bit of an issue that rules are being based on UK culture and not taking into consideration the differences culturally that affect people in other countries.
better said than i can put it...

[[Purple_Rain]]

We take into account cultural difference with some of the rules (for example, discussing use of marijuna, legal in some american states, ilegal over here).

We have to do what is best for the majority though. If there was something in British culture that was posted about that could potentially cause harm to other members, american or not, we would also ban that. However as Liv stated, we are not basing rules on British culture, we are basing this on member safety. Surely member's safety is more important than the ability to post a picture of a gun, especially considering how many forums there are about guns out there?

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

no the problem is i get told i broke a rule in a pm and i went to look at the rules in the rule list at the top of the page and saw nothing that i broke since i dont see a gun as a self harm instrument specially since im sure a good portion of people here couldnt afford them or pass the application form since you have to list if you have and mental problems....

and according to people from the uk they never see a gun so how could they obtain one to use...

[[Purple_Rain]]

Actually, the PM I sent you said that you hadn't broken a rule, because the rule clarification was made after your post. Your post was removed because the thread is constantly posted on. This is policy when new rules/rule clarifications are made. Posts that are made before a new rule/rule clarifications are left, unless that thread is kept active, such as room threads, or threads like the one yours was posted on.

People can be triggered by things without having experienced them. If someone posted and image of someone jumping off a bridge, even though members may have never done that themselves, it could still be triggering.

Yes, chances are if you are in the UK you wouldn't be able to obtain a gun. However the feeling it could trigger could be acted on in other ways.

[Phoenix Of Destiny]

Thread: What have you bought recently? (http://www.recoveryourlife.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110863)
Reason: Due to the rule clarification, and the fact this thread is always active, I'm removing your post.


why do you remove something if it dont break a rule.. specially when it was like 4pages back

[[Purple_Rain]]

I have literally just explained that in the above post.

Your post was removed because the thread is constantly posted on. This is policy when new rules/rule clarifications are made. Posts that are made before a new rule/rule clarifications are left, unless that thread is kept active, such as room threads, or threads like the one yours was posted on

[griddlebone]

The moderators have decided to close this thread for a number of reasons.

1.It was going round in circles.
2.There was the beginning of a descent into flaming.
3.Moderator action was being discussed.

If anyone would like to discuss this further please feel free to email the mod at moderators@recoveryourlife.com

Thank you.

Liv.

Forum Mod.