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Old 20-09-2011, 03:55 PM   #61
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Old 20-09-2011, 03:56 PM   #62
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Old 20-09-2011, 04:56 PM   #63
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heather, we have a conservative government who are doing this. Unless american and british versions of conservative are different. which they migth be, and i'm jsut niave.





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Old 20-09-2011, 07:33 PM   #64
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@[Purple_Rain] Essentially, a conservative government here is a liberal government over there :P



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Old 20-09-2011, 07:37 PM   #65
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Haha sweet!




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Old 20-09-2011, 07:52 PM   #66
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heather, we have a conservative government who are doing this. Unless american and british versions of conservative are different. which they migth be, and i'm jsut niave.
Generally, Britain is much more left-wing. We have more of a socialist background what with the welfare state and the NHS.

However, when talking politics the capitalisation of the C in conservative is incredibly important. A Conservative is not necessarily the same thing as someone with conservative views. You can be both liberal and a Conservative, in the same way that in the States you can have a conservative Democrat.

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Old 20-09-2011, 07:58 PM   #67
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I was telling my Dad about this before.
All he had to say was 'You're not wrong, you just like vag.'

And that is all I have to say on this matter.

Also; I don't want the religious connotations of marriage, but it's bloody fantastic to know that Zed and I will be able to be considered 'married' and not just in a 'civil partnership'. It makes me feel less segregated.




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Old 20-09-2011, 08:05 PM   #68
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Marie - I wish my dad would say something like that :D He takes more of the angle that I am a tad sub-normal :/ And congrats to you and Zed :) x



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Old 21-09-2011, 01:22 AM   #69
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Please tell me you don't actually believe that.

And even if you were right (which I strongly believe you are not) then maybe that lack of over population is due to homosexuals keeping the population down :)
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I can think of several countries that ARE overcrowded that will disagree with ragaholic
A handful of truly overpopulated countries doesn't make me wrong.



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Old 21-09-2011, 01:39 AM   #70
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What about those who decide to have children through IVF?
Or should I just not even go there?




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Old 21-09-2011, 02:03 AM   #71
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IVF can be a great thing. If a couple are having difficulty procreating naturally then I'm in full support of it. It ensures that couples biological legacy.



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Old 21-09-2011, 02:20 AM   #72
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IVF can be a great thing. If a couple are having difficulty procreating naturally then I'm in full support of it. It ensures that couples biological legacy.
it also ensures the couple shares the joys and trial of childbearing which have a rather larger impact upon their thought patterns then thought about the genes they are passing on.

it interests me greatly to know why you hold perhaps the least important part of having a child for the parents, as the most important part of having a child? im genuinely interested. although reproduction is an important driving force behind some human behaviours, its not usually the actual thought that goes through someones mind.



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Old 21-09-2011, 04:02 PM   #73
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The unsustainability of our current nature is what causes the belief of overpopulation, not because we're actually overpopulated.
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A handful of truly overpopulated countries doesn't make me wrong.
But, there is overcrowding in the world! You can't say it doesn't exist and then say it is!



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IVF can be a great thing. If a couple are having difficulty procreating naturally then I'm in full support of it. It ensures that couples biological legacy.
But then surely gay couples have difficulty procreating naturally, as they're missing the bits. So IVF can be used for them.

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Old 22-09-2011, 03:00 AM   #75
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But, there is overcrowding in the world! You can't say it doesn't exist and then say it is!
If I take every human being in Greenland and shove them all in a 10,000 square meter warehouse then that warehouse would be overcrowded/overpopulated, That doesn't mean that all of Greenland is overpopulated.

The earth is not overpopulated with human beings, certain areas have too many people in them and they should spread out.



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Old 22-09-2011, 11:59 PM   #76
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Does this matter, or is this just an argument wasting time?

If the world is actually overpopulated, being aware and doing something about it is good.
If it's about scarce resources, making sure we can handle that for the future is good.
If it's a case of simply trying to prove an argument, being aware that there is the potential for overcrowding and thinking up ways to deal with that is good. Either way, nobody loses for being aware of the potential/real overcrowding problem.


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Old 24-09-2011, 10:40 AM   #77
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I was telling my Dad about this before.
All he had to say was 'You're not wrong, you just like vag.'

And that is all I have to say on this matter.
Your Dad's attitude sounds good :)

I think it's about time that same sex marriage is legalised, I mean I know some couples might think not being able to have a religious ceremony is a shame but I think being able to get married, even if it's not a religious ceremony is good. I think a lot of straight couples opt out of a religious wedding, I'm atheist so I know I would opt out anyway.

I don't think being homosexual and so not procreating is wrong, I'm straight and I don't want to procreate. It's not like our species will die out if there are homosexual couples or straight couples not having children. I mean we're not pandas





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Old 24-09-2011, 10:00 PM   #78
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Good, responsible, intelligent people are more and more choosing not to have children, while stupid, drug addicted, irresponsible people are having hordes of children.

We're not in danger of our number dying out, we're in danger of civilization falling due to anyone with any value not reproducing.



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Old 24-09-2011, 10:22 PM   #79
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Ragaholic - now you're getting into the realms of eugenics... :/ But to continue on the point of thinking that IVF is ok, so long as it's used for well-off, problem free straight couples: I want kids when I'm older. But by that logic, I can't. I mean, I'm not stupid enough to think that it would be biologically possible to do so naturally (I'm a lesbian) but why can't I have kids? In all other respects, I'm your idea of 'perfect' - reasonably moral, well off, no addictions. So why wouldn't you let me have kids if I wanted to?



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I think deciding someone's 'value' is really down to opinion and isn't as clear cut as saying someone is of value and another person isn't. Maybe a fall in our civilisation would be a good thing, maybe something better could come out of that than the civilisation we have now.





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