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Old 24-09-2013, 04:41 PM   #1
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I was watching this morning today at 11:30 and there was article surrounding the overstretched mental health services, what does everyone think about it?
Has anyone had any experience of overstretched mental health services
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...services-limit


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I know what it's like to want to die. How it hurts to smile. How you try to fit in but you can't. How you hurt yourself on the outside to try to kill the thing on the inside. I tried groups, didn't work out just made my depression a lot worse.

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Old 24-09-2013, 06:14 PM   #2
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To me i get the impression my local crisis team are completely overwhelmed and out of money. Its a case of if your not threatening to do something thats in the public eye they are totally not interested in helping me. If your in a crisis ring they say , i wouldnt ring if i didnt think it was critical.

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Old 24-09-2013, 06:16 PM   #3
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It's also not helped that the NHS has already started to be sold off to private companies.





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Old 24-09-2013, 06:23 PM   #4
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^ that's not working out so well.

The surgicentre at my local hospital was a privately run unit and it just didn't work so was handed back to the NHS!

I'm lucky that I haven't been affected by budget cuts, but I know quite a few people who have, including staff members.



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Good that it went back into the NHS hands where it belongs!





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Old 24-09-2013, 06:48 PM   #6
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if its critical then i ring them if its not then i wait till i cpn but i often get bollocked from my psych for not ringing my cpn when i desperately need her.



Have you ever confused a dream with life? Or stolen something when you have the cash? Have you ever been blue? Or thought your train moving while sitting still? Maybe I was just crazy. Maybe it was the 60's. Or maybe I was just a girl... interrupted.
I know what it's like to want to die. How it hurts to smile. How you try to fit in but you can't. How you hurt yourself on the outside to try to kill the thing on the inside. I tried groups, didn't work out just made my depression a lot worse.

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Old 24-09-2013, 06:50 PM   #7
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To me i get the impression my local crisis team are completely overwhelmed and out of money. Its a case of if your not threatening to do something thats in the public eye they are totally not interested in helping me. If your in a crisis ring they say , i wouldnt ring if i didnt think it was critical.
Tbh, they were like that even before these budget cuts!



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Old 24-09-2013, 07:47 PM   #8
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If they trained GPs better to help manage routine MH appointments/patients, it would help!

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Old 24-09-2013, 07:48 PM   #9
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I wish there was more out there in there in the uk



Have you ever confused a dream with life? Or stolen something when you have the cash? Have you ever been blue? Or thought your train moving while sitting still? Maybe I was just crazy. Maybe it was the 60's. Or maybe I was just a girl... interrupted.
I know what it's like to want to die. How it hurts to smile. How you try to fit in but you can't. How you hurt yourself on the outside to try to kill the thing on the inside. I tried groups, didn't work out just made my depression a lot worse.

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Old 24-09-2013, 07:54 PM   #10
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We have a hell of a lot compared to most.

As **** as the NHS can be, I'm incredibly grateful for it.


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We have a hell of a lot compared to most.

As **** as the NHS CAN be, I'm incredibly grateful for it.
So very true! I <3 the NHS.





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Old 24-09-2013, 09:25 PM   #12
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So very true



Have you ever confused a dream with life? Or stolen something when you have the cash? Have you ever been blue? Or thought your train moving while sitting still? Maybe I was just crazy. Maybe it was the 60's. Or maybe I was just a girl... interrupted.
I know what it's like to want to die. How it hurts to smile. How you try to fit in but you can't. How you hurt yourself on the outside to try to kill the thing on the inside. I tried groups, didn't work out just made my depression a lot worse.

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Old 24-09-2013, 10:20 PM   #13
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Most of the people within mental health do what they can with what they've got. The worst thing is the people who lack integrity and empathy; on a personal level there are certainly some people who should not be in a caring profession, and many more who need to improve on 'bedside manor'.

But I do think money is wasted. A new computer system; scrapped because it was not fit for purpose; costed the NHS 12 billion.. so far! I honestly don't know how such a costly mistake could have been made when the NHS is so strapped for money.

There are a lot of idiots involved in running it [and they have larger salaries than they probably should].

I'd like to see budgets/trusts linked in some way so we don't have MH teams seeking to avoid admission to MH wards, but not seeking to reduce admissions to general wards. It's a lack of joined up thinking that costs the NHS more in the long term; whilst people suffer in the short term.

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Old 25-09-2013, 10:06 AM   #14
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But when the person it at a huge risk of harming themselves or taking an overdosage then they should be taken no matter what



Have you ever confused a dream with life? Or stolen something when you have the cash? Have you ever been blue? Or thought your train moving while sitting still? Maybe I was just crazy. Maybe it was the 60's. Or maybe I was just a girl... interrupted.
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Old 25-09-2013, 10:52 AM   #15
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I think a lot of money is spent on making the NHS look good.
My local hospital is having a new A&E department built, I was taken there on Monday and it was still overcrowded and the waiting room was packed. (Luckily I didn't have to wait or anything because I was taken in on a stretcher thing)

I was also on a PICU a few years ago. It had just been built, it cost 12 million to build and won an architectural award. But the 'care' was still the same, it was the unit where my shoulder was dislocated by a member of staff and they refused to let me see a doctor.
Things like the heating and water systems barely worked but there was no money to fix it.

But it was all OK because the unit won an architectural award.....



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Old 26-09-2013, 04:06 AM   #16
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The US system is definitely over stretched. And here most people can't even access the public mental health system unless they are very low income or classified as seriously mentally ill. So basically you have to have everything completely fall apart before you get help unless you have a lot of money. It's unfortunate. And even once you get it, the services are terrible. There's a lot of very serious incompetence, and even when there are professionals who do want to help, they just have too much work to do it well. A lot was due to poor oversight; there was a lot of waste in money that led to the severe cuts. But yeah sounds like a similar situation here. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with our mh services anymore.



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Old 28-09-2013, 12:10 AM   #17
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As has been said, the entire NHS is stretched - not just mental health.

And it sucks, but it is a better system than many others. There is a massive discrepancy between investing in the health service for short-term gains, and supporting long-term growth and proper investment in the system.

Amongst other things, thank you bipartisan system for that. FWIW, anybody interested in reading about the NHS computer failure should read The Blunders of our Government, for a good and detailed cover of it.

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Old 28-09-2013, 12:21 AM   #18
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How does seeing a psychologist work for you under the NHS? Are your sessions capped at a certain amount per year? Do you have to pay?

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It depends, Aimee, on your local area and what's available to them, and how your health is deemed to be.

There are many options available with therapy - eg in my local area, I can get CBT treatment for free, I can get medication (for £7.80 a month), or I can spend between £15 and £40 a session on counselling, less if I'm on benefits of some kind.

If you do get a talking therapy, there normally is a cap of some kind - X many sessions/hours - except if you're under the 'mental health team' (ie in need of more serious care - psychiatrists etc), where you may have more flexibility. But that's my situation, others may be different.

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I realise that wasn't a clear answer, sorry.

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