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Old 04-10-2012, 07:57 AM   #1
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playing god. assisted suicide/suicide.

Just curious as to peoples opinions? In 'playing god'. Suicide is taboo I guess. Governments make assisted suicide illegal in most places. It should be an option. The world has already played god to save lives. Premature babies get incubated, some people in comas do too, that's playing god. It seems it is ok to play god to save a life, but to take ones life is a big no-no.

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Old 04-10-2012, 09:47 AM   #2
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I am in favour of euthanasia.



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Old 04-10-2012, 10:31 AM   #3
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I am in favour of euthanasia.
Me too.

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Old 04-10-2012, 11:36 AM   #4
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I'm in favour of assisted suicide/assisted dying. I think having a dignified death should be an option, rather than a slow drawn out undignified one because assisted suicide/dying isn't an option.

Fairly recently Tony Nicklinson who was a sufferer of locked-in syndrome, died after his legal case arguing his right to die was unsuccessful. It was a shame that he viewed his life as undignified and had to resort to refusing medical treatment and food after he became ill with pneumonia. Although, cases like his would of course bring up further complications because he was physically unable to take his life as he was paralyzed from the neck down.





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Old 04-10-2012, 12:21 PM   #5
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Yeah, I'm all for suicide and assisted suicide.


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Old 04-10-2012, 02:28 PM   #6
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^You're not going to argue? D:

So many threads about this already. With strict criteria, yes, I am in favour.

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Old 04-10-2012, 02:30 PM   #7
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I am in favour of it.

People should have the right to pick.





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Old 04-10-2012, 03:49 PM   #8
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I wonder what people think of suicide/attempted suicide for the most severe of mental health problems which are incurable, such as long engrained treatment resistive depression or schizophrenia?

Personally don't agree with it for mental health, but I do wonder what others think, as it could seem a bit rich to excuse people with horrendous physical illnesses from living in pain/distress but force people with horrendous painful/distressing mental health problems to keep living.



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Old 04-10-2012, 07:23 PM   #9
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Essentially, no. I think for some people, it can be right. If, and only if, they do it themselves. I'd like to see more (and better!) palliative care systems before going down this route.

I don't really buy into the whole "everyone deserves to die with dignity" line, since not everyone gets that opportunity. If you choose to end your life, why should the State condone and even supply it for you?

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^You're not going to argue? D:

So many threads about this already. With strict criteria, yes, I am in favour.
Lol originally I had a huuuge post explaining how ridiculous the expression "playing God" is, which more or less boiled down to 'Christians toting moral superiority are dumbass'. So pretty par for the course for me. :P

I changed my mind, though, because I don't care for this to because a religious debate on my watch.



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I wonder what people think of suicide/attempted suicide for the most severe of mental health problems which are incurable, such as long engrained treatment resistive depression or schizophrenia?
Go for it.



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If, and only if, they do it themselves.
But what if, for example, they're paralysed?



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Old 06-10-2012, 07:18 AM   #13
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It is possible to live with chronic, lifelong, treatment resistant depression. Tough, but possible.
One of the reasons for my chronic illness? The legacy of all the stuff around my premature birth trauma.
Great, huh?
But I don't want to be allowed to die.
Most of the time.
/personal pain.

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Old 06-10-2012, 08:23 AM   #14
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I am all for assisted suicide, and not just for physical problems. If there is no quality of life, there is no quality of life, be it due to physical issues or mental. Do I think there would need to be restrictions on it to evaluate whether someone is making a rational, well thought out decision versus a rash "I want to die" without exhausting all other options? Yes. But I do think it should be allowed.

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I think it would come down to the individual and the quality of life they felt they had. Two people could have the same illness/condition and one might believe they had no quality of life whatsoever and not want to carry one with life, and the other might feel quite differently. So I guess it comes down to personal perspective on your own life and illness/condition.





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Old 06-10-2012, 10:59 AM   #16
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Lol originally I had a huuuge post explaining how ridiculous the expression "playing God" is, which more or less boiled down to 'Christians toting moral superiority are dumbass'. So pretty par for the course for me. :P

I changed my mind, though, because I don't care for this to because a religious debate on my watch.
Everytime I see we post in the same thread you say some pretty interesting things. I would say it as just a term, like instead of 'playing god' more or less then 'people taking control of things that are typically not ment to be controlled'? If that helps to drop the religous out of it. Ants don't put other ants on life support when they get squashed. You follow? I feel religion really has nothing to do with it, other than terminology, but every religon has some kind of god almost.

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I'm very. 50/50 on this one simply because I believe has the right to die in the way they want on the other hand I believe that there will be using assisted sui just because they are sick of their long term chronic condition. More laws should be in place to protect the elderly and vulnerable.

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But what if, for example, they're paralysed?
There are ways. Using eye controls or similar.

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Everytime I see we post in the same thread you say some pretty interesting things. I would say it as just a term, like instead of 'playing god' more or less then 'people taking control of things that are typically not ment to be controlled'? If that helps to drop the religous out of it. Ants don't put other ants on life support when they get squashed. You follow? I feel religion really has nothing to do with it, other than terminology, but every religon has some kind of god almost.

Turns your unknown expiration date, to possibly a day you choose.
Lol thanks I'll take that as a compliment! :P

I understand what you're saying, but all religion aside I still find it silly to say humans shouldn't be allowed to controlled death. History is filled with people taking (and preserving) life in some form or another. Humans have always had the power to give and take life. How does one rationalize the mass extinguishing of lives through war, while ending someone's suffering with their consent even is morally wrong? That's fucking retarded, lol.

You say that religion has little-to-nothing to do with it, but I disagree. It's the same as the abortion debate. The vast majority of those against euthanasia or abortion find it morally objectionable on the grounds that the right to take life belongs only to God.

What's wrong with knowing the day you die? Giving you a heads up might make you really enjoy life if you know how long you have left. There's a lot of fiction out there based on that premise.



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Old 06-10-2012, 04:52 PM   #20
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You say that religion has little-to-nothing to do with it, but I disagree. It's the same as the abortion debate. The vast majority of those against euthanasia or abortion find it morally objectionable on the grounds that the right to take life belongs only to God.
I find it frustrating that some Christians are very anti-abortion and euthanasia but have no qualms with people who've broken the law being executed. It feels that their view on life, and the value of life, can be a bit pick and choose sometimes, just seems odd to me.

I think it's a shame that euthanasia is allowed for animals to end their suffering but not for humans to end theirs.
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Giving you a heads up might make you really enjoy life if you know how long you have left.
I think knowing when you're going to die would also allow those close you to to adjust, say goodbyes etc when the time comes.





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