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Old 27-09-2014, 11:47 AM   #1
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undergraduate degree with masters attached question

I'm currently on a undergraduate degree but I do have the option of crossing over to a undergrad with a master attached to it (so like a 4 year degree with the 4th year being master research).
I would graduate with a BSc and a MSc/MRes.

does anyone know what the deal with finance is for this?
i.e. will student finance England (student loan company) cover it or do I have to pay for the final year?

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If it's intercalated and not seperate then it's funding just like the rest of your undergraduate fees (your course length is changed from 3 year to 4 year, and you become entitled to 4+1 years funding in total).



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Thank yes it is intercalculated so thanks for that.



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speaking from experience-that is incredibly intense to do!
make sure your feeling well enough to intercalate xx
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speaking from experience-that is incredibly intense to do!
make sure your feeling well enough to intercalate xx
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Thanks for the concern but with the particular degree Im doing the first year or 2 can be done part time which will help me get a lot better before intense full time study.



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Old 27-09-2014, 05:47 PM   #6
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Ok thanks tiptoes that makes more sense I think mine would be an Mphysics.
But i don't really mind what it's called as long as I'm qualified and really for a PhD upon graduation. Thanks



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Great.. I am delighted for you. You sound very clever! x



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My university offered something similar, though it was an MSci, which to my understanding was slightly less 'good' than an MSc, though I could have made that up. And you don't need a masters for a PhD anyway. As Sophia said, we just had to let student finance know and we were transferred to four years of funding. With you, I'd be more concerned about the funding issue with having been on previous degrees, as student finance only give full funding for a new degree if your previous undergraduate study was for one year or less, and I think you've been on a couple of other programs before, though I'm sure you've already dealt with that issue!



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Great.. I am delighted for you. You sound very clever! x
Lol thanks but I havnt passed my degree yet so we will have to just wait and see if I am actually clever



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My university offered something similar, though it was an MSci, which to my understanding was slightly less 'good' than an MSc, though I could have made that up. As Sophia said, we just had to let student finance know and we were transferred to four years of funding. With you, I'd be more concerned about the funding issue with having been on previous degrees, as student finance only give full funding for a degree if your previous undergraduate study was for one year or less, and I think you've been on a couple of other programs before, though I'm sure you've already dealt with that issue!
Yea that was something I was wondering. I guess it would be best contact student finance to see where I stand as I've already had 2 years of degree funding from them. Thanks



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You're entitled to funding with the (length of your course + 1 year) formula, ie. a total of five years if you went onto the Masters course. If you've had two years, they take that away from the entitlement, and that leaves your remaining years of funding (ie. three years?).

This money is paid to you in a last-year-first way, ie. for a BSc, if you're entitled to two out of three years of money then they way for your 2nd and 3rd year and you fund the first.

These rules don't apply for NHS-funded pathways (medicine, nursing) or teaching.



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This money is paid to you in a last-year-first way, ie. for a BSc, if you're entitled to two out of three years of money then they way for your 2nd and 3rd year and you fund the first.
can you explain that again? I'm not sure I understand?

How does it work if you study part time for some of your degree?



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What year are you currently in?
How many years of funding have you previously had (including this one)?

Things go iffy for part-time study.



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I have had 2 years of full time funding.

I'm currently doing modules with the OU (part time). I have the part time fee for this year. The OU funding is only for fees. There is no maintainance loan this year.

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Oh yeah, part-time effectively means you mostly only get the tuition fees, which is already the case. You should get the equivilant to 2 more year's funding for a bsc or 3 more year's funding for a masters (split over as many years as you need).



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Oh yeah, part-time effectively means you mostly only get the tuition fees, which is already the case. You should get the equivilant to 2 more year's funding for a bsc or 3 more year's funding for a masters (split over as many years as you need).
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Old 27-09-2014, 08:39 PM   #17
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Part time and full time loans are completely separate. Part time loans dont take anything away from however many years full time funding you are allowed.

I actually confirmed this twice with SFE as I couldnt quite believe it was true, but it is.

I did the first year of a BSc and some of the second year, then started the 2nd year of a different degree so SFE said I'd had 3 years full time funding. I rang them and said I wanted to do an undergraduate degree at the OU and they said they'd fund the whole thing, because it's part time and therefore separate.

As a sidenote they also said that had I wanted to go back to a brick uni and start a new degree/carry on and want more funding I would need to get a letter (from someone like my psychiatrist) explaining the reason I had to leave before was due to my mental illness and not just because I decided I didn't want to do the degree, and then I'd get more funding.



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Ok thanks tiptoes that makes more sense I think mine would be an Mphysics.
But i don't really mind what it's called as long as I'm qualified and really for a PhD upon graduation. Thanks
Regarding a PhD and whether an undergraduate Masters would be accepted, you would need to approach the relevant university departments as they are different and will accept different things from different people. It will also largely depend on what you did during your undergraduate years (in terms of research and skills-training) and what they are looking for within their funding arrangements.

Some university departments will be fine with an undergraduate masters, some will ask (especially if you are wanting funding) that you go through the postgraduate masters route.

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I did a 4 years undergraduate masters degree but only got the masters rather than BEng + MEng. The tuition fees were covered by student loans England for all 4 years.
My phd required a masters degree but you should check that with the university as my friend is doing a PhD with integrated masters.

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Thanks guys that's all really helpful x



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