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Old 18-11-2012, 08:28 AM   #6461
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You don't always get deliveeed by an ob/gyn, a 'maternity nurse' is probably your version of our midwives, although midwives are qualified to go out and deliver in the community, away from drs and hospitals. Maybe try a doula, although it's not hard to hand express, I feel like any you do get out will just be depleting the store for when baby is born. You could always take sterilised pump and bottle into the delivery with you. Pumping usually is no replacement for breastfeeding as it doesn't always make you produce more/enough as it's not the same as a baby suckling. If you're worried about nipple confusion you could always breast feed and then if expressing cup or syringe feed the baby, I know someone who could not breastfeed fully due to a lack of milk (not enough breast tissue) and they successfully breast/cup fed their baby from birth to 4 months, where they swapped to a sippy/weaning cup and breast.



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Old 18-11-2012, 10:57 AM   #6462
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just wondering, did any of you suffer from post natal depression? what was it like? was it different from depression that you have suffered before? what treatment did you get?
I haven't, but I've seen some bad cases of it when I was on the ward.
The mums I saw weren't interested in their babies, thought they were awful mums and that their babies would be better off without them, didn't get out of bed a lot, neglected themselves. Refused to see their babies. Cried a lot.

I know some of the ladies here have suffered from it, so they are in a better position to describe it really.

Do you think you might have it Deb?
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Old 18-11-2012, 12:24 PM   #6463
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just wondering, did any of you suffer from post natal depression? what was it like? was it different from depression that you have suffered before? what treatment did you get?
I did, and for me it was completely different to my 'normal' depression.. I felt overwhelmed, stressed out, like I couldn't cope with normal life situations... spent some time curled up crying if ethan was because I didn't feel I could cope. Once I sought help for that and it went, I had several months gap and then my 'normal' depression returned.

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I know a lot of you live in the UK, but I'm not sure we have standard midwives here in the US. We have OBGYN doctors, but that's about it.
Like Mandy said, depending on what state you live in you'll have access to Midwives and Doulas (Doulas can't deliver your baby, they mainly support you emotionally) But I know in some states midwives are illegal (which is bloody ridiculous)

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oh, effervescence, (im sorry i dont know your name).. ive been meaning to tell you, i finally have Oliver booked in to see a cranial osteopath, we are going on Monday.

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That's brilliant news! My nephew had it and it really helped him and my sister... Before the appointment, take some time to notice what his head does when he's sleeping, if there's a side his head goes to more, what his mouth looks like when he's yawning (like to the side or central). and take some time to recall what situations he cries most often, and details of the birth (they may ask questions like, did you see/notice how the dr helped him out- like supporting his arm etc...) My sister was asked all these questions xx



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Old 18-11-2012, 12:28 PM   #6464
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Oh, thank you Jocelyn. We are taking him here. A friend of a friend took her son and said it was really good.





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Old 18-11-2012, 01:44 PM   #6465
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Do you think you might have it Deb?
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it has been suggested

but looking after 2 kids was always going to be hard....



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Old 18-11-2012, 01:51 PM   #6466
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Have you seen a doctor?
I think it's better to be safe than sorry with depression.
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Old 18-11-2012, 04:43 PM   #6467
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Deb the first step is admitting you have a problem. Do you think you are fine? I know I had postnatal depression when matt would get up with the kids and let me lie in bed til 2pm everyday, he'd come and shout at me and i'd turn over and go back to sleep. When he left I guess normal depression took over, i sstill go back to bed most days if I can, ella is not interested in playing with me, she likes to be left to it, she comes for a cuddle usually and we both have a nap so i'm not falling asleep by bedtime. I've been going to bed at 6-7pmish with the kids and wakiwaking between 5-7am and then going into town to stay awake instead of sleep. Only you can decide to do something about it, whether that's see a dr, take meds, have therapy or socialise a bit more, it has to ccome from you.



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Old 18-11-2012, 05:44 PM   #6468
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Midwives and doulas are legal in my state, but are not covered under my insurance.

My feet have started swelling up and hurting. Pretty much every part of my body hurts. It seems like I can tolerate being out of bed less and less. I just get to the point where I'm too tired and in too much pain to even sit up anymore.





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Old 18-11-2012, 06:47 PM   #6469
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A lot of doulas are midwives and if they happen to be with you as you deliver your baby on the bathroom floor or in the car going to hospital etc i'm sure they'd help lol. If I ever have a next time i'm having a home birth, the community midwives are so much nicer than the hospital ones, or possibly get an independant.



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Old 18-11-2012, 07:22 PM   #6470
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I couldn't get one if I wanted to, my insurance won't cover it and the out of pocket costs are extreme. It would probably cost me around $10,000 with all the visits and then the birth. (A specialist doctor's visit can ring up hundreds of dollars just to talk to the doctor. Add on extra hundreds or thousands depending upon what services you get)

Insurance companies in this country are just awful. They only pay for the bare minimum. And if you have no insurance, it's nearly impossible to get any preventive care.





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Old 18-11-2012, 09:01 PM   #6471
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I meant an independant midwife, they are not qualified to the same level as a dr but you'd have to research it your self, may call themselves doulas iin your area.



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Old 18-11-2012, 10:50 PM   #6472
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There will probably be volunteer breastfeeding enthusiasts (peer supporters) nearby who may be able to give you more support r.e. breastfeeding and expressing colostrum. Do you have many people in your life who breastfeed, or have breastfed and do so comfortably, in public etc..?? if not it might be worth making an effort to meet up with a breastfeeding group or something, you could discuss your concerns etc... also (although I could be wrong!) I think part of the reason why we often find breastfeeding so 'un-natural' is that we don't see it in everyday life, only boobs as sexual objects...

Charlie, that place looks awesome! My sister was set back almost £80 for the first appt, then i think there were 2 or 3 more at just over £40.... It's wonderful that it's a charity, we don't pay enough attention to the bones and muscles that keep us altogether! I'd love to know how much it is, and definitely how it goes... Let me know! xx



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Old 18-11-2012, 11:47 PM   #6473
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I'm not sure what you mean by independent. Our healthcare is almost entirely private here, and it all costs a fortune. If my insurance doesn't cover it, I can't afford it. (Yes, even seeing a nurse or nurse practitioner costs an arm and a leg)

I have one friend who breastfed, but she would try to guilt me into doing it. I could try finding a group, but I'm worried that I'll be subjected to guilt tripping about it.





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Old 19-11-2012, 12:02 AM   #6474
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independent is kinda like private, but they run their own businesses, so they're independent from Health Care services.

I'd hope that if you could say something like... 'I want the best for my baby so would like to give them breastmilk but the idea of breastfeeding feels a tad odd to me at the moment, although things could change... I wanted to come and meet you guys so I could see 'normal' people breastfeeding, so it might seem less odd to me'... they wouldn't guilt trip you about it but just embrace you as a mum-to-be...

If you decide it's not for you, then that's far enough, the last thing your baby needs is an uncomfortable mum who struggles to breastfeed effectively (because the hormones produced by stress aren't very conducive to effective breastfeeding) and so ends up getting sore, fed-up and dreading feeding time. You need to find the right choice for you and your baby x x x



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Old 19-11-2012, 12:11 AM   #6475
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We do not have public healthcare services, aside from a public health center (which will do basically nothing. They may check you for basic illnesses, but they will not do anything related to pre-natal care) and hospital emergency rooms (which will also do nothing that isn't absolutely necessary to keep you alive). We have church groups that fund clinics, but again they'll do practically nothing and you still have to pay for it.

EVERYTHING is privately owned. There are no government resources aside from medicare/medicaid, which is basically insurance, which is the only way you can get effective healthcare if you can't get private insurance or a job with insurance benefits. But government insurance is quite limited, they don't have the best providers and the insurance can decide to deny you care if it's too expensive.

I wasn't able to get ANY prenatal care for the first 16 weeks because the state tried to deny me insurance.

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Old 19-11-2012, 12:23 AM   #6476
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I am grateful to have the NHS however much we complain about it. I'm sure you'll be fine, at least you've got someone looking after you... will have an opportunity to talk about your birth preferences? xx



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Old 19-11-2012, 12:50 AM   #6477
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To a certain extent. You can choose a hospital, but it has to be one your OBGYN can get to - and they might not even be the one to deliver your baby. You can choose whether or not to have medicinal aid like an epidural and such.

I don't think people with no insurance or government insurance really have options as far as home births or birthing centers go; that requires midwives and other specialists insurance won't cover. That works for me because given my health issues, being outside of a hospital is very risky so I have to deliver at one anyway.





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Old 19-11-2012, 12:56 AM   #6478
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It's a shame you can't have midwives in the hospital like we do here, but hopefully you'll have bloody good nurses to take their place



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Old 19-11-2012, 01:09 AM   #6479
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I have two hospitals in mind. One has a specialized women's hospital that is best equipped for difficult births. The other is small, but well staffed and very personal.

The first one would be the most likely place to encounter a midwife. It's my first choice because I'm high risk, and they have the best shot at keeping me and my baby alive.





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Old 19-11-2012, 09:01 AM   #6480
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Are you able to take advantage of any community support programs like planned parenthood or birth to three?

I hope everything goes well despite the money issues.
You're right, medical care is crazy expensive, even with insurance.



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