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Old 24-04-2012, 08:22 PM   #1
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I want to be sectioned..

I saw a counseler a week ago, for self harm, and she threatned to section me then, in a few weeks i have to see a doctor/pysiatric person, and if im honest, i want him to section me, i dont feel safe. im very suicidal (no one knows that) but i cant voluenterially go to inpaitent, as im under 18 and my parents would have to agree, witch they wouldnt as they dont know the extent of the problem, what can I do?

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Old 24-04-2012, 09:23 PM   #2
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You do not want to be sectioned.

Hospital is not a place for you to get better, it's a place to go and sit for a while until you're well enough to go home and get better in the community. It's not enjoyable or supportive like you imagine.

I'd recommend you tell your counsellor you are feeling unsafe and ask what can be done for you to be able to engage in some supportive help to work on getting better.

It's very unusual for self harm to lead to section, unless it's chronic or highly dangerous forms. So try not to worry too much - more, think about talking to your parents about what's going on as they may want to help you.

If you're hypothetically sectioned your parents would find out anyway, so it would be better to tell them and engage voluntarily with help as sections have a number of consequences including not being able to travel to some countries and not being able to work in certain jobs - things that will affect you for the rest of your life.
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Old 24-04-2012, 10:23 PM   #3
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^ This is so on the money. You really do not want to be sectioned. It seems to me like you really do want to get better, but getting yourself hospitalised is not the way to do this. It might be scary but you should talk to your counsellor or doctor and tell them how bad you're feeling, tell them you're feeling suicidal. It's their job to help you and once you tell them what's really going on you'll be able to take more pro-active steps to getting better.

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Old 24-04-2012, 10:28 PM   #4
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I think if you find after sometime that you really cannot manage in the community, then you and your team need to be looking for a specialist placement/therapeutic community.

As the others have said, you do not want to just be sectioned.

I can understand where the thought is coming from. It can be incredibly difficult at home and I guess the illusion is that if you were to be sectioned, they would be taking all those pressures off of you and you wouldn't be fighting on your own. In some respects this is true, but there are an awful lot of negatives too. Quite often, acute hospitals are unsupportive environments because there are many patients and staff become over-stretched etc or don't have the right training to deal with self harm. Then there are no activities to do either so you end up having to occupy your time on your own, with all those horrible thoughts. It's sad really.

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Old 24-04-2012, 10:41 PM   #5
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Trust me you do not want to be sectioned, it is a horrible experience.

What you want is acknowledgement that you are suffering, and help.
Neither of which you will get if you are sectioned.

Instead why dont you look at more long term help available to you?

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Old 24-04-2012, 10:47 PM   #6
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Nobody *wants* to be sectioned - that's why sectioning exists, to take people into hospital against their will.

Hospital is only really a solution when someone is so acutely manic/psychotic/depressed that otherwise they would be at huge risk to themselves or others.

It sounds like you are wanting an escape from your situation. I'm sorry you are feeling so rough right now.



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Old 04-05-2012, 02:04 PM   #7
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Sectioning if horrific, trust me. Please try and avoid that.

I think you need to express your concerns to your therapist. Perhaps they can increase your counselling sessions?

Hang in there.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:14 PM   #8
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It's not a nice thing to be sectioned.
It's better to go in voluntarily if you have that choice.
Hospital is just a safety net, if you really want to self-harm you can find ways to do so if you are a danger to yourself in hospital too.

It's best to accept help in the community.



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Old 04-05-2012, 10:52 PM   #9
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You do not want to be sectioned.

Hospital is not a place for you to get better, it's a place to go and sit for a while until you're well enough to go home and get better in the community. It's not enjoyable or supportive like you imagine.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:12 PM   #10
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I was threatened yesterday that either I go inpatient or have the home treatment team to look after me. I was also very suicidal and s/hing alot.

Anyway what I wanted to say can you ask for the home treatment team to come to you? From what I know they monitor how you are and give you your medication. It's an alternative route that lets you stay in the community and supportive environment you are in.



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Old 05-05-2012, 05:38 AM   #11
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The hospital sucks. I wanted the same thing as u did. Then it happened and it sucked. I am the only kid in my school to say he's been to a psych ward though

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Old 05-05-2012, 11:33 PM   #12
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Being sectioned is awful, and as jodie said hospital isn't what you imagine it to be. I still managed to do something extremly dangerous and self harm worse then i usually did.

Also if you get sectioned your parents will be told absolutly everything.



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Old 06-05-2012, 07:25 AM   #13
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You do not want to be sectioned.

Hospital is not a place for you to get better, it's a place to go and sit for a while until you're well enough to go home and get better in the community. It's not enjoyable or supportive like you imagine.
I second this basically.

Hospital is boring, I was only there for three days not sectioned, but it's not as therepeutic as one would imagine, 80% of the day comprises of a strict routine like meal times and you just watch TV or read.. you only see your psychiatrist every now and again and there's no active therapy or something. It's really just a place you're kept to be watched for a while and then you're discharged with an "after care" plan.

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.. as sections have a number of consequences including not being able to travel to some countries and not being able to work in certain jobs - things that will affect you for the rest of your life.
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That's a myth... only criminal sections stop you travelling abroad to certain countries since they are part of your formal criminal record (and thus stored on the Police National Computer which can be accessed by Interpol and the US FBI), not civil sections. I don't understand why people think otherwise since your medical files are confidential and can't be disclosed to anyone without your consent. You can easily say "No" to the mental disorders bits on forms, they can't find out otherwise. I know of people who've travelled to places like the United States after being on Section 3's and CTOs. Immigration is different, but being sectioned certainly won't stop you travelling.

You're right about jobs, though. Some lines of work require Occupation Health check-ups and sometimes sections can appear in enhanced CRB checks.





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Old 07-05-2012, 03:34 PM   #14
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Threxy - the CRT psych told my partner that a S3 stops you from going to America, whilst I was inpatient in a psych ward. They were detaining me as I was trying to leave.

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Old 07-05-2012, 04:50 PM   #15
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I know this is diverting away from the original thread a bit, but here is some information I found re: travelling to the USA after a section 3:

Rethink discussion with professional: http://www.rethink.org/talk/topic/14...k/page__st__20

US Embassy: http://london.usembassy.gov/add_req.html



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Old 07-05-2012, 04:59 PM   #16
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I beg to differ to some people being sent to the hospital is helpful.
I speak from personal experience.
Do whatever you think you need to do to get better.

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Old 20-05-2012, 06:49 AM   #17
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Threxy - the CRT psych told my partner that a S3 stops you from going to America, whilst I was inpatient in a psych ward. They were detaining me as I was trying to leave.
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I know this is diverting away from the original thread a bit, but here is some information I found re: travelling to the USA after a section 3:

Rethink discussion with professional: http://www.rethink.org/talk/topic/14...k/page__st__20

US Embassy: http://london.usembassy.gov/add_req.html
Yes, I have heard this all before (including from MH professionals when I was in hospital in 2010), yet nobody still seems to be able to explain to me how something that is strictly confidential will flag-up on the US systems if you don't declare it? Like I said, civil sections are not stored on the UK Police National Computer which can be accessed by the US authorities. Criminal sections, however, are.

And there have been people who have successfully travelled to the US after being sectioned (iirc one Anorexic went to Florida for 2 weeks after once being on a s.3). That bit on mental disorders from the US embassy has been written in assumption that you declare it, but doesn't explain how they find out if you don't declare it.

I'm not being antagonistic BTW, I'm honestly confused about this. The only other explanation I can think of is if there's a marker put on the PNC about your mental health (lets say if you are truly dangerous) or you go and do something stupid in America and they actually investigate your background for the case, as there's very few circumstances authorities can demand access to ones medical record.


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Old 20-05-2012, 01:16 PM   #18
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beebs, how are you feeling?

I'm wondering if there's any chance you could tell someone about these thoughts your having. Perhaps your counsellor? Also, if your parents don't know you are struggling, it might be an idea to tell them a bit about what is going on for you so they can help you. If you go into hospital realistically they're going to know about this anyway, as scary as it is parents generally want what is best for you so it might be a good idea to have a chat with them.

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